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| editordude |
 Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:49 am |
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Why not add "Vi" emulation to grab all the people that use Vim ?
Also, split windows with different buffers in each (vertical is better than
horizontal, but both are ideal, with little whitespace in-between if any).
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| furashgf |
| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:22 pm |
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| this is the only feature that e is missing that I need |
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| Frank |
| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:41 pm |
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| jesperrr |
| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:35 am |
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Vi mode... use Vi. It has a fantastic Vi mode 
In my opinion, emulation of other editors are for people that are convinced that shifting editors are hard. I think that strategy would probably work for Emacs (or vi for that sake), because it's very hard as a newcomer to learn all the secret shortcuts and mode shifts.
E is intuitive and easy to start with. I think that it's important that an editor such as E must be easy to learn. Therefore, I think the work should be concentrated on discoverability of the features.
A an example of discoverability is the new Office 2007, where keyboard shortcuts highlight and show on screen when you for instance press and hold ALT key. This way, the shortcuts are easier to learn.
Adobe Photoshop has example of both good and bad discoverability. Good example: Press CTRL, SHIFT or ALT, and your current tool mouse cursor will change to reflect the altered functionality. Bad discoverability: http://justaddwater.dk/2007/09/11/innovative-but-hidden-text-field-interaction/
Some things are E already doing well. For instance to write the keyboard shortcuts next to the menu items. This way, it's easy to learn the shortcuts for people using the functionality multiple times.
With respect to viewing multiple files split vertically I think thats a good idea. Please put that in it's own thread: Different issues in different threads, so the discussion only regards one topic. |
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| n00ge |
| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:40 pm |
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Quote: Vi mode... use Vi. It has a fantastic Vi mode
In my opinion, emulation of other editors are for people that are convinced that shifting editors are hard.
Then, how come you're not using textmate? 
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| vitasthefetus |
| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:26 pm |
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| nightingale2k1 |
| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:30 am |
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those who already using VI, will keep using VI unless they can get more benefit from E ... and for me, there is no benefit adding vi mode on E ... why not using real vi instead emulate it
** i use vim too ** |
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| eric1235711 |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:26 pm |
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jesperrr wrote: Vi mode... use Vi. It has a fantastic Vi mode
... or Vim 
I'm with you.
There is Vim for any OS, for free. But TextMate is just for Mac, and TextMate people are not even interested in porting to other OS's. 
Why do you want to buy a Vim copy/emulation if you can just download the Vim for free?
About grabbing people from other editors... I find that there's "war enough in this world".  I'm not looking for a popular editor, but a editor that fits to my needs. There's a quoting that I like:
Quote: "There's nothing to prove. We just got to learn and to teach."
vim_emulation--; |
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| i3enhamin |
| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:41 pm |
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+1 for me.
textmate has a plugin, that tipped me over, over there. |
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| i3enhamin |
| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:27 pm |
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| bundles are an amazingly good idea. vim key bindings (are to many) a great idea. i can't figure out why there is any antogonism for wanting both of them together... other than the realities of slowing down the inclusion of other features. but, vimate exists as an independent plugin for textmate. why could e pursue something similar? |
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| box0518x |
| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:36 pm |
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| francois |
| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:23 pm |
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+1 for me too.
Vim modal features and it's key bindings are an huge improvement when editing code.
Why not have best of both world ?
A plugin could be an interesting option and the users still have the choice to enable it or not.
Furthermore I think that the E community could grow if vim users feel to be at home when switching to E. Fingers memory is hard to forget.
Kate editor, Komodo Edit, Eclipse and Netbeans ... have features like this. Why ? Because people like this ! |
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| markrendle |
| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:04 pm |
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| +1 also. I have vi-mode plugins for Visual Studio and NetBeans, and use vim as my basic text editor, but would definitely switch to E if it had something like the vi plugin for TM. |
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| andyL |
| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:09 am |
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| charlesroper |
| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:52 pm |
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A question for all of the Vi fanciers (I include myself a fan of Vim, but although I did learn to use it, I find I prefer the more integrated feel of E):
What does "Vi emulation" mean, exactly? The beauty of Vi(m) is that it is a very simple editor with an extremely powerful API. I remember when I first tried GVim and just couldn't get on with it. It was only after I got hold of a customised install with a whole bunch of scripts and add-ins that I saw the light, as it were, and proceeded to learn it properly.
So, in suggesting Vi emulation for E, how far do you want to take that? Is it just the modal system coupled with the basic, core keystrokes and commands? Or do you want the full scripting system?
Personally, I would love to see a well-thought-out keyboard/macro binding system that would give us the kind of flexibility found in Vim and Emacs. I really missing doing things like vit and dit and other text object manipulation in Vim, and would love to see this kind of flexibility and power present in E. |
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